Would you consider the book scene a case of rape also? I mean, the show made it way worse, but in the original, Jaime stills kisses Cersei as she urges him to stop
We posted the transcribed scene here.
“Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.Cersei initiates the kissing. She says “no, not here, the septons” when Jaime starts kissing her neck, then mentions the wrath of the gods and her father as he’s making space for them to have sex, which is important to note. She protests at first because of the location and because she doesn’t want them to be caught, not because she doesn’t want to have sex with him. If the scene was written as Cersei struggled to push him away, wanted to make him stop kissing her, but couldn’t etc. and hadn’t included her literally telling Jaime to have sex with her, it would have been rape, but that isn’t what happened.Cersei forgets the septons and the location, tells him to hurry, tells him to have sex with her, and even grabs him and guides him to her. She also says "yes" three times and other terms of endearment while they’re having sex. She gives him explicit consent, and it is then and only then that the sex happens. If she’d said no, Jaime—who has clear moral issues with rape due to past trauma—would not have forced Cersei. His thoughts during that scene are also about how much he wants to protect her, not about how hateful she is.In the show, she pulls completely away from the kiss/stops the kiss, which is when Jaime’s personality completely switches and he calls her hateful, then forces her to kiss him. The gods and the septons and our father be damned turns into “how could the gods make me love such a hateful woman.” She says “no” “stop it” continuously while struggling with him to stop. I think there’s a clear difference here.-J
please don’t misconstrue this as me defending the horribly graphic rape scene in the tv show. i find that disgusting and unnecessary.
but when people are trying to paint the scene in the book as perfect consent, they’re completely ignoring the paragraph right before the one quoted where cersei lightly kisses jaime and then he starts kissing her harder and she’s like ‘stop not here not right now no’ and then he picks her up and sets her on the table and she’s pushing on his chest and hitting his chest trying to get him to stop and then when he gets her clothes off is when she finally gives in and accepts that it’s gonna happen so she might as well go along. the scene in the book, if not a rape scene isn’t the glorious consensual sex that everyone is making it out to be.
another thing people are doing which is incredibly disturbing to me is saying that jaime would never rape because jaime was against the violent rapes of brienne and the targaryens. but i don’t really read it as out of character, because in patriarchal societies it can’t be rape if it’s not violent and it can’t be rape if she’s previously consented. jaime can love and want to protect cersei and still completely violate her consent and never think twice about it. the scene in book made me very uncomfortable, and the scene in the show was much more gratuitously violent but they didn’t pull the rape out of nowhere.
I’ve already explained why the show and the books aren’t the same situation. I never said that it was perfect because I don’t for a second feel that any of GRRM’s sex scenes or writing is perfect. Please do not misconstrue me pointing out the consent in the scene in contrast to the show as “gloriously perfect” because that isn’t what I said.
Jaime wouldn’t rape Cersei because he witnessed Robert rape her multiple times, not just because he was opposed to the violence against Rhaella Targaryen and Brienne. Jaime was traumatised by what happened to these women, and what happened to Cersei during her marriage to Robert, especially because he couldn’t do anything to help and none of the kingsguard stepped in to stop these men. Jaime knows about Cersei’s trauma. Jaime punishes rapists in the books. Jaime expresses that if he were a woman, he’d rather die than be raped. There are plenty of instances why doing this to Cersei is out of character for a character like Jaime.
Jaime understands that Aerys Targaryen raped Rhaella Targaryen, no matter if “in patriarchal societies it can’t be rape if it’s not violent and it can’t be rape if she’s previously consented.” Jaime understands that Robert Baratheon raped Cersei Lannister, no matter if “in patriarchal societies it can’t be rape if it’s not violent and it can’t be rape if she’s previously consented.” We also live in a “patriarchal society” and just because some people in our society believe the same, ”it can’t be rape if it’s not violent and it can’t be rape if she’s previously consented” doesn’t mean that other people can’t recognise that it’s bullshit. Jaime recognises that that’s bullshit, just like people in our society recognise that that’s bullshit.
Cersei engages in this relationship with Jaime because it is the only consensual one that she’s had with anyone.
No matter how poorly this scene’s written in the books, the important thing is that Cersei gives Jaime consent. You’re free to argue that it made you uncomfortable, but she gives him consent. In the show she does not.
Let’s just take a second to reread this scene. Can everyone find the word “yes”? Apparently D&D couldn’t.
you know that unexplainable sickish feeling where youre not really sick and you dont really have a headache but you just feel wrong and you cant get comfortable or find something that youre really into but you kinda feel too ill to sleep or eat its like your body saying “i dont know what i want you to do but this isnt it”
That’s called anxiety.
That explains at least half of my life then
Because men are privileged over women, these forms of “misandry” are acceptable, because no one is actually being hurt by them:
- proudly calling yourself a misandrist
- having “misandry” in your tumblr URL
- saying that systematic misandry is not real
- not caring if men agree with feminism
the beauty we learn behind this aweful tragedy from the young pure souls
- a boy give his life jacket and give all his life to help his classmate… he die as a hero on his birthday
- a young selfless ship attendant help distribute life jackets to passenger and stay behind until her last breath
- a 6 years old brother who give his life jacket to his 5 years old sister and wispher comfort even his fate is still unknown
- a student who yell for rescuer to take a small child from his arms even the ferry is sinking and he still on it
either u’re gone or safe or still missing my thought and pray goes for you…may your soul rest in peace and hope miracles exist so u can be with your love again and be safe…
everything about this is heartbreaking.
i can understand why it would be annoying for white people to be constantly asking things for whatever reason but whenever i ask something it's because i like to hear your personal opinion on it.
Yeah it’s just when you hear “is kotatsu appropriation?” “are chopsticks appropriation?” “is soysauce appropriation?” “should I stop watching anime?” “can I use a bento box?” “Can I learn Japanese?” over and over and over it’s frustrating because it starts to detract from the overall conversation to talk about things that aren’t of much consequence and can be figured out on their own.
I don’t think people should stop asking these questions because the fact that people are begging to think about these things are important, but it gets really tiring to get asked if eating with chopsticks is cultural appropriation. Also, particularly with something like that it feels like the asker is really missing the point and cannot see the bigger picture of white supremacy and oppression that actually affects us.
if I ever see a girl in public who is clearly going for something really bold with her look (crazy hair, makeup, outfit) and looks like she’s maybe uncomfortable or nervous about rocking it, I make sure to go up to her and tell her she looks fierce. It took a lot of courage to go out like that and somebody ought to notice.
changes lives. be sure to do that at least once a day.
you’re the type of person this world needs
six fanfictions i am currently craving:
- the steve rogers and bucky barnes are really mad about these newfangled bananas show, starring steve rogers and bucky barnes, who are really mad about these newfangled bananas
- this same fic, five more times
#TO EXPLAIN: until the 1950s the bananas that were available in the US were a different type of banana than the kind we eat now #but then those bananas got a wasting banana disease and essentially died out #so now we eat a different variety of banana that was resistant to wasting banana disease #which is by all accounts totally not as good as the old school banana #THE LINK UP THERE IS TO A REALLY INTERESTING NYT ARTICLE ABOUT BANANAS #THAT I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT SINCE I READ IT IN ‘08 OKAY?! #and also i just want to think forever about happy things #like bucky barnes taking a bite of banana and spitting it out and yELLING #while steve rogers sits next to him nodding in angry agreement
Skype and Sketch (2)
starring: my babies <3 from the left Havoc, Adrienne and Twinkles
I’ve never put these three together
(I don’t accept the canon boobs for turian females, I’m sorry)
Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause, and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners. Pregnancy can be an especially dangerous time for women in abusive relationships, and abuse can often begin or escalate during the pregnancy. Don't EVER say an abortion is not needed to escape abuse or death because you CLEARLY have no idea what you're talking about.
Well if a woman is in abusive relationship and the guy isn’t much short of having her at gunpoint and threatens her and black mails her into an abortion, or scares her into an abortion, and there’s next to nothing she can do, then he is an evil piece of scum. The abortion is still murder, but I’d say the blood is on his hands, not hers.
Let me be clear though, the abortion is still completely wrong. And an unborn human being is still equally is dead and mutilated. - Gabbie
Have you ever been in an abusive relationship before Gabbie? I’m willing to bet you probably haven’t. Let me explain then.
The abuser WANTS their victim pregnant usually. They WANT a child involved so that the person has no choice but to stay with them under their power, they use that to their advantage and use the child as leverage to prevent their victim from escaping.
THAT is why abuse victims need abortions. We need them because we cannot be trapped with our abusers, because we know it will kill us and because we know what sort of future that child will end up with.
If I had gotten pregnant off my abusive ex I can say with 100% certainty that I would have aborted and would not have regretted it for an instant. Because if I hadn’t and been pregnant? Well for one think I would have taken my own life. (But my life doesn’t matter to you does it?).
For another it would have made me financially dependant on my abuser, because an unemployed, depressed 18 year old with no financial support and no education simply cannot survive as a single parent in my city. And adoption would not have been an option either considering pregnancy cost and maintenance in addition to pregnancy being a potentially massive mental health trauma.
If you have never experienced abuse in a relationship or rape, then do yourself a favour and please, never, ever talk about it because you don’t know shit and you’re ignorance is both appalling and insulting. Especially considering you would be perfectly happy to have trapped me with my abuser and perfectly okay with me killing myself. Just so long as I didn’t have an abortion instead.
When my mom was in her early 20s, she was in a relationship with a somewhat abusive guy and he got her pregnant. Within the first few weeks of them finding out, his abuse escalated to the point that he was physically hurting her and preventing her from seeing her friends or family. He was extremely controlling, manipulative, and paranoid. She knew if she had the child, even if they broke up, she would have obviously been forced to keep that abuser in her life for decades because he would have requested custody and visitation rights. Finally one day, without telling him, she moved out of their shared apartment and got an abortion. Because of the choice she made, I am alive today. I was the wanted child she was able to have because she had access to abortion services as a young woman.